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« on: September 5, 2006, 01:29:07 PM »

Older men in the military

I'm over  55  now and the Armed Forces say I'm too old to track down terrorists.  You can't be older than 35 to join the military.

They've got the whole thing backwards. Instead of sending 18-year-olds off to fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn't be able to join until you're at least 35.

For starters:

Researchers say 18-year- olds think about sex every 10 seconds.  Old guys only think about sex a couple of times a day, leaving us more than 28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy.

Young guys haven't lived long enough to be cranky, and a cranky soldier is a dangerous soldier. If we can't kill the enemy we'll complain them into submission. "My back hurts!" "I'm hungry!" "Where's the remote control?"

An 18-year-old hasn't had a legal beer yet and you shouldn't go to war until you're at least old enough to legally drink. An average old guy, on the other hand, has consumed 126,000 gallons of beer by the time he's 35 and a jaunt through the desert heat with a beer carton and M-60 would do wonders for the old beer belly. (Note there are 24 hours in a day and 24 bottles in a beer carton...another convenient way to measure time!)

An 18-year-old doesn't like to get up before 10 a.m.

Old guys get up early every morning to pee.

If old guys are captured we couldn't spill the beans because we'd probably forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank, and serial number would be a real brainteaser.

Boot camp would actually be easier for old guys. We're used to getting screamed and yelled at and we actually like soft food.  We've also developed a deep appreciation for guns and rifles. 
We like them almost better than naps.

They could lighten up on the obstacle course however. I've been in combat and I didn't see a single 20-foot wall with rope hanging over the side, nor did I ever do any pushups after completing basic training.  I can hear the Drill Sergeant now, "Get down and give me...er...one."

And the running part is kind of a waste of energy. I've never seen anyone outrun a bullet.

An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him.  He's still learning to shave, to actually carry on a conversation, and to wear pants without the top of his butt crack showing and his boxer shorts sticking out.  He still hasn't figured out that a pierced tongue catches food particles, and that a 400-watt speaker in the back seat of a Honda Accord can rupture an eardrum, and that a baseball cap has a brim to shade eyes, not the back of a head.

All great reasons to keep our sons at home to learn a little more about life before sending them off to possible death.

Let us old guys track down those dirty rotten cowards who attacked our hearts on September 11. The last thing the enemy would want to see right now is a couple of million old farts with attitudes.

Share this with your senior friends.  (It's purposely in big type for us old guys)
Older women too.
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« Reply #1 on: September 5, 2006, 01:38:26 PM »

Hey, speak for yourself. I'm 51 and I STILL serve. Been in since I was a 17 year old waiting to graduate from High School. Of course, I didn't have but 3 choices then. Enlist, get drafted, or move to Canada.

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« Reply #2 on: September 5, 2006, 05:21:49 PM »

And another good reason....

"We darn well BETTER be able to shoot, we're too old and fat to run!"

(SoM ducks and covers at this point....)
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« Reply #3 on: September 5, 2006, 06:07:51 PM »

"Old age and treachery,
always overcomes youth and skill"

--Willie Nelson

 Grin  I defy anyone else to quote Willie Nelson on the RWVA board!

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« Reply #4 on: September 5, 2006, 06:23:46 PM »

My heroes have always been cowboys....
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« Reply #5 on: September 5, 2006, 09:14:15 PM »

 Damn! Not the IRS!...Again!
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« Reply #6 on: September 5, 2006, 09:23:37 PM »

My heroes have always been cowboys....

That was a good one cabinboy.. Grin Grin
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« Reply #7 on: November 4, 2006, 11:18:00 AM »

Spartacus2002 defied anyone else to quote Willie Nelson. Okay...how about "Manos aribas, sons-a-b*&$^@s!"
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« Reply #8 on: November 6, 2006, 09:32:58 AM »

We all love Willie here in Austin....except for the fact that many think that he caused Lone Star Beer to become poplular and then get expensive.  (In the seventies , it was $3.88 a case for longneck bottles)    HOWEVER....that quote was around long before Willie said it in a TV interview.  My dad said he first heard it when he was in Germany during WWII and he was fond of using it on me whenever he thought I was getting too big for my Wranglers....and he was right.
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« Reply #9 on: November 6, 2006, 06:03:28 PM »

Great post I am all for it. When do we leave? I trained for many years to be there and look where I am.

Were too old to run so we just stay and fight. I'll go if they let me take my Garand or my 03 maybe both.
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« Reply #10 on: November 6, 2006, 06:42:35 PM »

Conch, I think you've hit the nail right on the.............thumb? I agree with all your points. Just that I ain't goin': mobility is not a strong point anymore, so like Wildman and SoM I'll just sit and let the silly damnfools come to me! Not that they'll get very close, mind...........
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« Reply #11 on: November 7, 2006, 08:51:14 AM »

Somehow that reminds me of the joke where the Old Bull says to the Young Bull, "No, let's WALK down there and do them ALL!"
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« Reply #12 on: November 7, 2006, 11:42:44 AM »

I'll go if they let me take my Garand or my 03 maybe both.

I tried to take my personal semi-auto M14 clone when I got alerted in 2003. They weren't humoured when I told them I had better stuff than they did.
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« Reply #13 on: February 8, 2007, 12:21:49 PM »

   What a great idea!!!   My Medicaid card claims I am 66, and I
still serve.   I have some brother Marines who are in their 80s
and still serve as members in the Marine Corps League.   May not
be too great at humping brush, but they know everything about
where they live.   Many of these older Marines pretty well keep
their shots together when they perform Honor firing for fallen vets
in our area!
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« Reply #14 on: February 8, 2007, 01:47:10 PM »

Funny, I don't remember seeing the Marine Corps League doing deployments to Iraq or Afghanistan.

I'm an Army Guard member, and, yes, I am subject to deployment.  Grin
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« Reply #15 on: February 9, 2007, 10:43:05 PM »

   I can send an application for Associate Membership along with
an invitayion to our 232nd Birthday Ball. on November 10th !   Been
to sand country late summer of 58. Grin
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2007, 05:51:10 PM »

I am 48, and would go back into the Corps in a heartbeat if they'd take me. Hey Oorah, send me an app. too if you would.
Um, Nickle, that was kinda a cheap shot, saying that Marine Corps League members weren't going to the Bush War in the sand. Personally, I don't know of one, not one, active or former Marine who would not jump at the chance to go and fight. That's what we trained for, that's what we lived for. There is a valid reason why real or potential enemies around the world get nervous bowels when they hear "The Marines are coming!"
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2007, 06:32:09 PM »

Read Marine, the book about Chesty Puller.  I remember reading when his outfit got to Korea an Army officer told him he had it made.  He asked why and he was told that the word was out among the North Koreans, "don't attack the guys with the leggings (don't remember if exactly what they were called) wrapped around their pants above their boots."  Puller went back to his troops and ordered them to remove the leggings.  That's a great book about a great man.  If we had more combat leaders like him our military would be better off when the SHTF.
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2007, 07:38:38 PM »

Someday when I grow up, I'm gonna be just like M1A4ME. A master poster, a RWVA Instructor, and general all-around heck-of-a-guy. Grin
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2007, 01:57:10 PM »

Gee Nickle, looks like I might have to look a might closer on
how well informed you are on other matters.   Yes, we do have
members fighting over there.   In fact we sign them up when
come home from Boot Camp.   Also we are the ones who bond
with them and famlies in our local area while they serve.   In fact
they are family from start and after their active duty with a program
called "Marines for Life"   Each Marine when we are notified of his
return is greeted and welcomed home and intergrated with the above
program to be able to adjust from a warrior to civilian surroundings.
While they are on active duty the Detachment pays there yearly dues
that includes a MCL magazine and Detachment news letter keeping
the guys informed of the world back home.   Guess you might look a
little sheepish telling our only Oregon reserve detachment that they
don't belong at our Marine Birthday Ball travel 300 miles, and serve
three and four tours in sand country, people don't know you were there.
I'm sure that PFC Rocuba did not mind marching with our color guards
while home on leave in our annual parade.   His dad, this year's Com-
mandant inspected his uniform with pride.
   Guess you know several years ago when the president who wasn't
pro military promised that at least two active members would attend
each veteran's funerals.   I saw that happen once when the Air Force
sent two.   I was approached by some community people, of which one
had a brother who did not recieve military honors.   We put one together
with borrowed Garands, recorded Taps, and took over the flag folding when
VFW decided they would rather have us do it.
   Since that day, I found a way to have uncle sugar send us 6 M-1 Garands,
200 clips, and two crates of blanks free of charge.   Yeah the rifles
came rough, but I knew a few tricks that keep them running.   Honoraium
funds paid for restoring the parkerization and new wood from Boyds.   It
takes eight to ten people to do Military Honors, can't recall being short.
Three volleys are fired, Taps played (have our own Bugler), the flag
folded and presented to the family.   We have nine Detachments in
Oregon with half either doing this service for vets, or in the process.
   A final to point out that not all of us hump a pack, but we are intergrated
with active duty Marines.   I was able to attend a Mid Winter National
Conference in San Diego.   It was over fifty years since I was there for
Boot.   We were treated as VIPs the entire time and attended the series
graduation.   We  spend two days at Expo West, Camp Pendleton that
included hands on state of the art stuff and some time spent with the
troops.   The most memorable was a dinner cruise in San Diego bay.   The
guest of honor was Gen. Joe Weber (3 star Commanding Gen far East).
Gen. Weber statment was "Our work at home makes his Marines the greatest"
   There is a web sight.  I can't recall right now other than mcleague.
Here's the kicker Nickle.   If you want to walk the walk, you can be an
associate member!   Only restrictions are that you can't hold an elected
office or belong to the honor and fun society The Military Order of Devil
Dogs.   What ever your energy level allows.  All branches are represented
in our detachment.   In fact my neighbor, a green beanie,converse over
a beer, after meetings on which is fine dinning.   Snake or beef.  You
guessed it I'm the wuz beef person.   But he thinks C rats are good too.
HAVE YOU HUGGED A MARINE TODAY!!!!

PS  Jarhead, Email me so I can hook you up
with a detachment  near you.   Be prepared
to have some fun !!!
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2007, 05:52:53 AM »


Um, Nickle, that was kinda a cheap shot, saying that Marine Corps League members weren't going to the Bush War in the sand.


Marines are going, not retired Marines (or discharged Marines), unless they are going in some other capacity. This is what I meant.

I realized after seeing your post that some MCL members are still serving. No insult to them intended. No insult to your desire to serve again intended, either.

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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2007, 12:03:25 PM »

No sweat Nickle. Thanks for the post and the clarification
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2007, 12:39:44 PM »

Hey Jarhead,
  Notice you on line.   If you didn't get Emails, contact me direct
The information you asked for is National web site for MCL is
http://www.mcleague.org   For the Texas State that has 37 Detach-
ments www.mcltexas.org   Spent some time with some of your Texans
at various MCL functions.   They are a great bunch!
Semper Fi Smiley Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2007, 04:05:24 PM »

IIRC the .mil set the new enlistment age at 42.  I got out on a medical, so they are happy to have me gone and I'm happy to be gone. Wink

I've done all the deploying I would ever want to do.  The ops tempo has really went up.

If I get the lust to wander, I'll go on vacation to Ireland or Kenya.  Other than that, ya'll are welcome to it.  D. 
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« Reply #24 on: April 5, 2007, 05:29:52 AM »

The length of WWII - 3 years, 8 months (12/7/41 - 8/15/45)
Length if the Iraq war? March 19, 2003 - present (over 4 years)
Cost of WWII - 2091.3 billion dollars (adjusted for present currency)
Cost of Iraq war? $414,425,883,690.00 and climbing
U.S. Military casualties in Iraq - 3,269 and climbing
U.S. Military casualties in just the battle for Okinawa? 12,000+

Granted the deaths in Okinawa were higher, but there, we were fighting a DECLARED war against a fanatical foe. The same can be said of the US/Iraq war, but I do not recall Congress ever declaring war on Iraq. I don't recall Iraq ever bombing or directly attacking U.S. interests or property.
Over 3,000 deaths for what??
We are hemorrhaging money in Iraq.
Terrorist attacks have increased exponentially
Brave young men and women are dying every day to what end? There is no end in sight.
The President and Vice-President (that evil little man behind the curtains) ought to be impeached and indicted for treason and charged with murder.
And I haven't even mentioned Afghanistan...
I will fight and die for this country, but By God, you better have a damned good reason for me to do so. Angry
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