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« on: March 2, 2008, 11:47:33 AM »

NOTE:  This thread is not intended to point to any particular individual,
but rather serve as an instructive warning for all those involved
in any freedom-oriented group.  Such groups and their members
are routinely surveilled by anti-freedom forces (primarily government
agencies). 


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Beyond mere arms-length surveillance (by downloading blogs, posts,
emails, websites, etc.), any group of sufficient size or public influence
very likely has at least one agent embedded within. 

For example, every 1990s militia group over a dozen members was
almost guaranteed to have a government agent tasked to it.  Today,
every RKBA/sovereignty/liberty group with a substantial online presence
or a modest real-world existence is infiltrated. 

Most of these agents remain in the background as local recon, but others
are tasked with a more active role to provoke strife and/or sabotage the
effectiveness, growth, or reputation of the group.  These people are called
"agent provocateurs" and "agent saboteurs."


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An agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is a person who secretly disrupts a group's activities from within the group. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group, or are agents directly assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group.

Historically, agents provocateurs activities have been one operational tactic of labor spies who may also be hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, and/or subvert union activities.

Within the United States the COINTELPRO program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation had FBI agents posing as political radicals in order to disrupt the activities of radical political groups in the U.S.,...
Agent Provocateur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur


Agent saboteurs try to steer the group into increasingly risky or even
blantantly illegal acts for the purpose of getting the members arrested
of felonies. 

The continuum of agent provocateur-saboteur was well described by
author Ed Butler who had vast experience with undermining domestic
communist groups in the 1960s:


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Revolution is My Profession, Ed Butler (1968) pp.132-133

PENETRATING THE TARGET ORGANIZATION

1)  Gather intelligence -- collect names, descriptions and personality
peculiarities of everyone you meet within the movement.  Learn what
you can about plans, attitudes, successes and failures.  Get
documentary evidence--letters, memos, film, files.  Get photographs.
Namelists.  File frequent reports.

2)  Create splits -- on the basis of philosophy, personality, strategy,
tactics.  Develop a personal following, uphold opposing points of view.
Spread rumors.

3)  Recruit penetrators -- "duplicate yourself" as often as possible.
Bring in and develop other penetrators.  But not every penetrator
should know the identity of others.  This is a cross check on
performance, a precaution against double agents, and a safeguard
against exposure of all, if one should be caught, or converted.

4)  Promote failures -- failure shakes faith.  So all operations should
be "tipped" in advance, whenever possible.  Then a tightly coordinated
plan of action from inside and out can be developed to thwart them.
When one is in a position of leadership or counsel he may also have
opportunities to initiate operations that are foredoomed.  Therefore
in order to promote failures best, one must work hard within the
group to succeed.

5)  Depart dramatically -- when it is time to go, do it in the most
public, proud way, thereby taking as many people as possible with you.

This fascinating paperback is out of print (published by Twin Circle,
without any LCCN or ISBN), but a diligent search will find you a copy.


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Is every provocative group member an agent provocateur?
Of course not.  Some people are just naturally contentious
and abrasive.

Is every risky idea floated the product of an agent saboteur?
Again, no.  Innocent and well-meaning people can also make
overly risky suggestions.

What is most important is a person's overall pattern.  If they have
a history of provocation or apparent sabotage, it is then prudent to
focus on them and question his motivations.  Here are a few things
which may, in toto, point to an embedded agent:


No bona-fides:
1)  Without a "sponsor" or credible introduction from trusted member
2)  Vague or unconfirmable origins


Compartmentalization:
1)  Different stories/explanations of the same issue to different people
2)  Frequent "just-between-us" confidences (whispering campaign)


Secrecy:
1)  Vague and unsubstantiated place of residence, employment, etc.
2)  Unknown daily/monthly schedule, but always available for meetings.


Overly helpful, friendly, agreeable:
1)  If somebody appears "too good to be true" then they probably are.


Creates artificial and needless ties to many members:
1)  Leaving items in others' homes for storage
2)  An unusual amount of phone/email contact with an unusual number of members


Seems to have an excessive amount of time and freedom for group affairs
1)  Working career people are busy enough with their own lives


When questioned or challenged, will:
1)  Question the questioner ("Why are you asking?")
2)  Evade the question through misdirection and obfuscation
3)  Refuse to answer (often out of feigned indignation)
4)  Attempt to smear or discredit the questioner


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If a particular member is viewed by several members as suspicious,
then they would be wise to conduct a bit of research and intelligence
gathering on that person.  It very prudent to live by this wise maxim:

If there's doubt, there is no doubt.
  -- Robert de Niro, Ronin

Here are several precautionary tips:

1)  Check him out on the Internet.  A real person will leave behind a wide
wake of normal human activity, much of which is findable by using
a few search engines:
www.peopledata.com
www.zabasearch.com
http://www.Intelius.com are good places to start.

2)  Photograph and audio record him thoroughly.  (Digital voice recorders are
inexpensive and downloadable to computer.)

3)  Photograph the VIN and license plates of his car.

4)  Confirm his residence (hotel or home) by following him there.

5)  If he is a local person, it is easy enough to GPS "lo-jack" his car and
get a real-time map of his driving.  (These systems are available
for just a few hundred dollars.  Search online for choices.)

6)  If he flies in and out of your area, tail him back to the airport and
to his boarding gate.  (Buy a refundable ticket to any destination.
This will get you past the security checkpoint.)  Once he has been
confirmed boarding his flight, have him covertly "met" at his destination
and followed from that airport.  (He will likely be very relaxed and
sloppy in his home city, figuring that nobody will have gone through
the trouble to tail him from out-of-state.)

7)  Begin to catalog the suspect's many stories amongst your members
to surface the lies told. 


Agents generally will have a fairly flimsy cover since most groups
non-violent, gullible and accepting of new people, especially if
they seem amicable and helpful.  (Friendliness, however,
does not constitute an actual friendship and loyalty.)


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I am not encouraging silly paranoia or illegal surveillance techniques, but
rather a healthy dose of suspicion and some basic follow-up confirmation.

Even if your group is completely innocent of any criminality, it has not
likely escaped notice from authorities.  They have a history of keeping tabs
on all dissent groups, and even steering such towards illegal acts.

Once you know who/what to look for, you can isolate or eject the
agent provocateur/saboter before he can cause your group any damage.

Boston

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« Reply #1 on: March 3, 2008, 02:28:45 PM »

Gone from this forum for 11 months and this is what you decide to post on your return?  provocateur?  Hmmmm.........
Of, course this isn't aimed at anyone, hahahaha!  Thanks for the concern, I think this is what I love about the gun culture, you get someone who acts a little odd (out of the norm, which as a owner of more than one battle rifle, I must be), and we assume, due to some internal paranoia, that they must be a government agent out to get us.

Even if we are some how a threat to the "powers that be", they don't need to send anyone, we do a get job of turning on each other and eating our own young.

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« Reply #2 on: March 3, 2008, 03:24:16 PM »

Sorry, Hollywod, I didn't realize that you'd been missing me these past months.
Since you've registered on the FSW Forum last April, you've not posted at all,
so I'm unclear how my own sporadic activity here can be of any issue to you.

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Particularized suspicion individually held by many different members is far
different from "turning on its own".   (If a member is a fraud or a fake, then
he was never the others' "own" to "turn on.")   

Certainly the gun culture is easily capable of "eating its young" and that
is why I outlined these criteria to try to prevent unfair/unfounded reactions
to some of our members who merely are "a little odd." 

If you've some thoughts on the topic at hand, i.e., the historical infiltration
of freedom movements, I'm keen to read them.

Regarding other matters, please refer to my email.

Regards,
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« Reply #3 on: March 3, 2008, 04:53:23 PM »

I may lurk on FSW (probably logged in 1 dozen time in total)  , but I don't throw thinly veiled crap on your site, now do I? 






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« Reply #4 on: March 3, 2008, 07:22:06 PM »

Hollywood, this was inevitable.  Many of us are two feet or less from the roll of tin foil.  Add stressers like an out of control DOJ and an election that has gun owners scared.  Mix in some truth that there have been and are infiltrations of groups ranging from militas to anti-war quakers (or UU's) and this post was gonna come sooner or later.

The funny thing is that there are two potential responses that I can think of:

1. To be offended that our gov't spends our dollars on paid employees who get to read and post on the internet all day.  And to be even more offended that they pay people to egg on borderline folks in the hope of a prosecutable act or statement. 

2. To be reminded that if someone says/suggests something fishy or dumb, just reply "no thanks" and move on.  Getting in further requires an energy of paranoia that I do not have the resources for.

Neither of these has me overly worried, nor bugging conversations at the local IDPA or Appleseed shoot.  I figure if there are gov't agents there, the best thing I do is help them learn to shoot better.  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: March 5, 2008, 06:11:55 PM »

from Hollywood:
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but I don't throw thinly veiled crap on your site, now do I?
Feel free to offer any worthy post, even if a few people may not like it.


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Some very interesting reading on the subject:

Newsweek article:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/102002

World Free Net article:
http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws35.htm

Misc. militia information:
http://www.rickross.com/groups/militia.html

Blythe Report
http://www.blythe.org/Intelligence/readme/62Excerpts


Pay close attention to how easy it was to obtain admissible
talk purporting to support a "conspiracy."

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« Reply #6 on: March 6, 2008, 12:09:19 PM »

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

On a more serious note, I would think that if you're not doing anything illegal and you do not intend to do anything illegal, then what is the problem?
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« Reply #7 on: March 6, 2008, 12:51:36 PM »

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

On a more serious note, I would think that if you're not doing anything illegal and you do not intend to do anything illegal, then what is the problem?

While I completely agree with you, I have to caveat that by musing whether 'obeying the law' is really protection from prosecution in this Orwellian age.

And, as we press on into the future, with the prospect of a "Thought Crimes" law looming on the horizon via the "Domestic Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism" bil currently in the Senate, I also have to wonder if 'obeying the law' will continue to be an option for an American who considers himself "free."

So indeed, while I understand, appreciate, and to a great extent mirror your sentiment here, at the same time we have to recognize that we are no longer living in the America of the Founders vision, and in this modern age while the Law is expected to bind our citizens, it is also expected to be ignored by those in power.
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« Reply #8 on: March 7, 2008, 08:46:40 AM »

Before this, or other threads begin to spiral out of control with personal accusations and diatribe I'd like to make some things very clear about this forum (or any other similar ones for that matter) ...

1. With very few exceptions, none of us know for sure if any of the others on this forum are genuine or not, and that includes me (how many of you truly know that I am a genuine Patriot and not some kook or radical or government plant?).

2. It's important to be aware of as much as possible, even the threatening or offensive or accusatory positions.

3. Everybody has to check their own six ... precious few others will really do so for you.

4. Innocence is no protection against those who would use their power to control us -- they don't care.  Besides, it's often impossible to prove you are innocent of something other than a traceable act.

5. FACTS as broadly published as possible, OPEN COMMUNICATION conducted often with as many as possible, PUBLIC behavior to document your position clearly and fearlessly and a DETERMINATION to persist calmly and consistently in the face of naysayers, detractors, accusers and those who would destroy our credibility -- these are all important to maintaining a position and a movement against an opposing force.  As naive as some will think this to be, it's founded on my unshakeable confidence that the American People can be pushed just so far and no farther.  We are a foolish and tolerant nation, but we have grown up with Liberty and nobody is actually going to get away with taking it from us.

6. This forum will censor or restrict discussion when there are personal attacks, efforts viewed by the administrator to be clearly targeted to be destructive in nature, or any other activity that limits, restricts or otherwise tends to defeat the purpose of this forum -- the open exchange of information about Liberty and how to protect and nurture it.

7. Almost any critical comment (or non-critical ones) can be construed to be "about" an individual.  That said, we're all aware of the recent issue involving Boston and Cabinboy and others ... this thread cannot be completely divorced from those events.  However, the information is important in its own right and the understanding is that it will be presented as such and not as a veiled continuation of the earlier exchanges.  Should it depart from that, action will be taken.  Those who choose to reply to the thread are asked and encouraged to discuss it in that light only and not to continue the earlier dispute.
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« Reply #9 on: March 7, 2008, 06:38:02 PM »

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However, the information is important in its own right and the understanding is that it will be presented as such and not as a veiled continuation of the earlier exchanges.  Should it depart from that, action will be taken.  Those who choose to reply to the thread are asked and encouraged to discuss it in that light only and not to continue the earlier dispute.
Understood and agreed.
I've no intention of morphing this thread into anything personal.

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GunnyFreedom, excellent reply.
You saved me the effort of saying nearly the same thing!

None of us knows what is legal or not, given the thousands
of obscure regs out there.  Also, "conspiracy" is a very easy
charge to make stick.  Example:

World Free Net article:
http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws35.htm

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Knight's trial, scheduled to resume Tuesday (3 June) after a two-month delay, offers a rare glimpse into the clandestine world of undercover operations, where government agents walk a fine line between revealing criminal activity and encouraging it. The man the Vipers knew as Doc was actually John Schultz, a state game warden working under the direction of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Schultz took the Viper Team oath in December, 1995, and quickly became a respected team member -- all the while secretly recording and videotaping nearly every meeting.

Transcipts of those tapes show he was more than a passive observer. In a group that could spend most of an evening debating the design and cost of Viper Team patches, he repeatedly steered members into discussions that could be used to bolster conspiracy charges against them. "Did anybody ever sit down and just come up with a plan on where you were when you started, where you want to be at a certain point in time?" Schultz asked at one meeting. "Is there a big picture that's been formulated at all?" Others said there was no plan. "Maybe we ought to do that," he said.

Another time, he pressed for details about crimes the Vipers might commit after a national disaster of the sort they feared -- a U.N. invasion, perhaps, or widespread race riots. "You're talking (about stealing) food, gasoline, you're talking a crime, yes?" he said. "Why not a bank? Why draw a line?" Schultz's supervisor, ATF agent Steve Ott, has testified that Schultz brought up the bank-robbery idea only "to ascertain what their mind-set was."

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« Reply #10 on: March 9, 2008, 02:40:42 PM »

 Roll Eyes

Boston, I would have thought you'd be above this sort of thing.
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2008, 07:45:12 AM »

The topic itself is worthy of discussion ... and for that reason I will not remove it.

However, again, ALL PARTIES are warned that personal attacks, accusations without evidence/proof accompanying them or other simply inflammatory or contentious posts may be modified or deleted at the moderator's discretion.

This forum, or any other, cannot serve its purpose if participants will not respect reasonable rules of operation.  The surest way to destroy the utility of a forum is to reduce it to a place where more time is spent attacking each other than on the problems that we all "say" we are commonly committed to resolve.

On another level, all should be alert to the problem that when you post such accusations of a person individually you open yourself to actions for slander and defamation of character.  This forum becomes an accessory to such acts if it does not take appropriate action in such situations.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2008, 04:16:54 PM »

Thanks, ConchMan.

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Spartacus2002, I'm unclear as to your meaning.
Feel free to PM or email me further about it.

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2008, 07:51:22 AM »

All those who have a personal issue with another member, or who want to lodge an accusation, should use the PM or other direct communication to do so.

Again, this forum MUST remain impartial else it's value to the community is severely compromised.

Your purposes in posting here are respected and it's our intention to restrict members as little as possible.  However, all members are asked to consider the impact of your remarks on the forum, in particular how the forum itself may viewed by the larger Liberty/Patriot community and the world at large, when posting here.  While image is far less important than content (in the opinion of this administrator), image can significantly affect our ability to achieve our goals.

This forum is dedicated to goals which transcend the personal interests and opinions of individuals (mine included).  If we cannot work toward the achievement of those goals due to problems surrounding individual disputes, then there is no purpose for the continuation of this forum.

Please help by respecting the purposes, goals and "rules of the road" of this forum.

Many thanks to all ...
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All power resides in the People at all times
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